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    Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 6:43pm
Hi, due to badly injuring my hip, ive had to put my big toys on hold for a while.(i.e the gems). They will be finished as soon as it has properly recovered, but for the time being i have had to look for something smaller to play with.
I thought i would go for something a little different this time.Asyou may know i have a reasonable number of Bantams in my collection, and over the years i have managed to aquire some of the vast number of attachments for them. Yesterday i was given a Generator for one, after looking for years for such a beast, so i have decided to restore this.
I must emphises though that what i will show with the electrics is only to be taken as a point for disscusion, not as guidence. If you are in any doubt what so ever about electrics then you must at the very least speak to a qualified electrian!
The history behind attachments is that in the 1950's and 60's engines in real terms cost vastly more than today, the idea was that if in this case you had allready bought a rotavator, then to save money you could use the engine to power other items in the garden etc. This unit simply bolts in place of the rotor box.
Talking to people who used to use them however often comet that they were not really much good, if for example you wanted a mower then really you should purchase a machine made for the job.
If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 6:54pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 6:56pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:00pm
It does apparently work, and looking at the armature etc in side it does look to be in good order, however for safetys sake i will be replacing the external wirring. I stripped the alternator off the chasis and binned the belt as it had definatley seen better days, according to the book it is an A24 belt, a new one was ordered off e**y very cheaply.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:02pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:04pm
The control panel was then removed, to disconect the wirring the side box also has to be removed, sitting inside it was an original wirring diagram, its probably been there for 50+ years and is still readable!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:05pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:09pm
The following step was to prepare for paint. All the small parts were sand blasted, but for the alternator i used chemical paint stripper, after which i carefully masked up the bits i didnt want orange and sprayed with 4 coats of grey primmer followed by b4 glossy top coats, its with the preparation more than the actual spraying that you get a good finish.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:10pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:12pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:14pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:16pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:17pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:18pm
the pulleys will be sprayed black once the orange has dried.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 7:19pm
the next step will be to clean up and rewire the control panel.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Sep 2010 at 10:08pm
the unit was made by a firm called tuscan engineering co ltd from bridgend, glamorgan, does anyone know what happened to them as i cant turn anything up with an internet search.
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 27 Sep 2010 at 11:15am
I've got a Tuscan as well and you see plenty around the Stationary engine lines, I didn't even know where they were from. You'll be getting the Tarpen bug next I guess!
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 27 Sep 2010 at 8:55pm
Oh good, another Tarpen enthusiast.

Collector of Tarpen, Wheelhorse, International Cub Cadet, Landmaster, Cooper Stewart, Farmfitters, Jobber, Jalo, Ro-lo, Sisis and literature
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 27 Sep 2010 at 9:07pm
My Tuscan has a plain 3 pin rubber socket on top (round pins).
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 27 Sep 2010 at 10:11pm
this looks like 2 brass sockets, also 3 oins. i found where they were from on the wirring diagram.i'm guessing they went the same way as most british firms!
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 8:10pm
Those sockets are quite common, they're "Nipham" and were supplied for Military and GPO Telephones generators as well for battery charging. Tarpen gennys have them. 
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Quote john webster Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 9:02pm
 very nice paint job. good luck.ps were they 110vac ?
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by john webster

 very nice paint job. good luck.ps were they 110vac ?
thanks, painting is quite easy so longas you put the time in with the prep, yes they are 110v ac for safety, if you get a shock you only get a 55 volt shock because of the wave form.
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 11:13pm
I'm afraid thats not quite true. The 110v is the RMS (Root Mean Squared) value of the peak voltage which is actually 155.6V, same as 230v is the RMS value of a peak voltage of 320v
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 9:32am
I don't even think they're ac, most are dc. so the voltage will depend on the regulation, which in this case is done internally. Car dynamos (not alternators) have external regulators. Anyway you'll feel 110v dc but it's current that kills and 110 generally won't push a lethal curent through the average human....

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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by will_haggle

I don't even think they're ac, most are dc. so the voltage will depend on the regulation, which in this case is done internally. Car dynamos (not alternators) have external regulators. Anyway you'll feel 110v dc but it's current that kills and 110 generally won't push a lethal curent through the average human....

thats good because the new wire has arrived today and if i get it wrong then i shouldnt kill myself!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:07pm
Managed to make a bit of progress today with the genny.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:10pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:14pm
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Quote lawnmowerboy Replybullet Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:27pm
nice. looks good that
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 9:28pm
still quite a bit to go till its finished though!
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