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Quote series1gem Replybullet Topic: Not all Villiers are old.
    Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 6:33pm

One of my pet hates is how people automatically assume all villiers are old,I am noticing more and more at rallys that are late examples of them but listed as 1950's, accidental? Maybe. Anyway heres my 1988 c12 that i was told in 1995 to "Take that ****** out of our sight!" Lots of suttle changes from the earlier ones including factory fitted electronic ignition. Heres the before and after photos, I started restoring it yesterday morning and apart from waiting for a few small finishing touches to arrive, its now completed, runs like a dream.

 
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Quote lawnmowerboy Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 6:55pm
your back!
Grow old, not up!!!
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Quote lawnmowerboy Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 6:56pm
looks great!
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Quote owen Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 7:00pm
Smart little Villiers now, is it mainly a Mk12. You would have thought being newer it would have overhead valves. is that a different tank or just a different cap.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 7:01pm
Looks very smart s1g
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 7:17pm
I think Swan generators had them, some were gas powered.....
Nice restoration....
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 7:19pm
The engine is a C12, i had it datted by the factory when they were still going, the tank is allmost the same, slightly bigger seam, the cap is different, and the tap.
Other differences are differnces are the on/off switch, throttle rod, ignition system,theres even a peg to locate the flywheel,( no more messing about with timming),the oil filler hole is smaller along with a plastic dipstick, and i.d plate, perhaps this sums up why they ceased trading as allthougth its very high quality, the design is a very dated side valve. At the time this was produced Villiers were rebadging Kubota engines as MAG.I have allmost finished an even later F15, photos to follow.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by will_haggle

I think Swan generators had them, some were gas powered.....
Nice restoration....
This came off a Dynapac Vibatory Poker, the poker bit had long gone when I got it.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 11:02pm

See not everything I do is Orange! Thanks forthe compliments.

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Quote villiers Replybullet Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 3:17pm
Nice tidy job !
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Quote fordsonmajortom Replybullet Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 3:43pm
I have got a villiers C 12 on a concrete mixer that was new i think in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
There is no villiers name on the engine plate only on the carb.There is a sticker on the cowl that reads Wolverhampton Industrial Engines Ltd.The model number is SC12.02.04 and the serial number is 41337.
Whats the story behind this.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by fordsonmajortom

I have got a villiers C 12 on a concrete mixer that was new i think in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
There is no villiers name on the engine plate only on the carb.There is a sticker on the cowl that reads Wolverhampton Industrial Engines Ltd.The model number is SC12.02.04 and the serial number is 41337.
Whats the story behind this.
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Ive heard of this before, i know in 57 they joined with j.a.p and i'm fairly sure around this time they had something to do with Bsa. In the late 1960's they became part of the Norton Villiers group. Scince then i'm led to believe they were bought out a few times so yours probably was produced then. The serial number is definatley later Villiers style, probably early 80's. The last contact i had with Villiers (Ron Valentine) was in 1996, when they were called Villiers industrial engines ltd, and based in sunbeam street, aparently in 2000 all the records were thrown in a couple of skips!
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Quote simar kid Replybullet Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:31pm
hi that must be the fastest refurb in the uk, looks the biz. well done.
Not sure whats wrong. i think we will let it develop
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:46pm
Heres the F15 ive been working on at the same time, not quite finished but getting there
 
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:50pm
And heres next weekends project, a Mk15/2, i believe the mk 15 and mk 15/2 were villiers only petrol ohv,(i know the diesels were ohv aswell).
Its totally siezed at the moment but was donated free to the collection about 4 years ago.
 
 
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Quote howardman Replybullet Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 10:49pm
The mark 12 looks great ..have an old one on my howard 200, set the points on it during restoration a few months back and starting/running good. The mark 15 /2 (Old) is on my "looking for list" for my autogardener but they seem to be thin on the ground.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 7:05am
Hi Pat, if i hear of one, i'll let you know, i'd guess this one is early 60's so is reasonably old.
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Quote owen Replybullet Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 7:25am

Hello I picked up this little Mk 7/1, I reckon this would be classed as a later engine. It runs and will tick over endlessly with no vibration.  Engine No 3880 5458.

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Quote TITCH Replybullet Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 9:39am
It's nice to see these Villiers engines and at minimum 30 years old still quite practical to get running and used.
I like 'em!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by owen

Hello I picked up this little Mk 7/1, I reckon this would be classed as a later engine. It runs and will tick over endlessly with no vibration.  Engine No 3880 5458.

It may or may not be late, The mk 7 was introduced i believe in the late 50's and the mk 7/1 in the 60's. The 7 and 7/1 differed in having the carb and exhaust on the other side of the blo9ck to each other.
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Quote owen Replybullet Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 7:36pm
Thanks for that information S1G,
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Quote les wilson Replybullet Posted: 28 Apr 2011 at 9:44pm
nice job ,looks very neat you've done a good job on her .......callum
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 11:11am
Very good, It used to supprise me how young some villiers were. In fact there is an indian company still making them...
BTW What was it you were planning with the Mk7 and the Mk40?
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 11:13am
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 1:55pm
I have emailed the above company a couple of weeks ago with a veiw to buying a couple for my display, however ive had no reply yet. Hopefully the display will be ready for next year, i did want to finish it for this year but  got distracted with my gem and havent allways enjoyed the best of health of late.
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 5:45pm
Had this package of original villiers manuals arrive this morning, very reasonably priced too.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 7:03pm
Nice one s1g, a Villiers display would look great !!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 9:29pm
Well, as fuel doesnt look like its ever going to become affordable again ive got to do a display that i came fit in the back of my volvo estate so this will maybe what i end up showing next year.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 9:37pm
Great idea, it is something different, spotting a "niche" display.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 06 May 2011 at 10:16pm
Just to revive this topic, heres a Mark 7 and a 7/1 earmarked for future Tarpen set use...





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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 8:42pm
Any progress on your Villiers display project s1g ??
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 8:57pm
Ive done up a couple including the mk 15, however scince finding out about the baby ive had to put most of my projects on hold temporaily, a mk25 will be next when i get chance, its in very good condition having spent most of its life on a cricket pitch roller. Photos will be added when i get a moment.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 9:02pm
Great, I'd be pleased to see any photos, the display will look the business I am sure !!
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Quote kiwifella Replybullet Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 12:05am
When did the last Villers roll of the line then? Also what became of the old factory and tooling?
 
Very interesting post too by the way!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 9:14am
Originally posted by kiwifella

When did the last Villers roll of the line then? Also what became of the old factory and tooling?
 
Very interesting post too by the way!
I'm led to believe that in theory you could still get them until villiers closed in 2000ish, however as stated they were mainly selling rebadged kubota engines as Mag's.After theyclosed the villiers name was bought by either an african or indian firm and chinese Honda copies started to appear with the Villiers name applied (white tanks and green starters). Today there is a foriegn firm selling in house manufactured c12's etc, (mowersman has the link), I have emailed them a couple of times with a view to buying a couple but have had no reply, perhaps theyve ceased trading?
 
I keep meaning to go to wolverhampton to have a look at the factory site to see what has become of it. I dont know  what happened to the tooling but all the records ended up in a load of skips!!!Angry
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