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    Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:02pm
I won this and a Ransomes Ajax mk3 at a auction, could anyone tell me what this mower is. Any infomation would be a good help.










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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:22pm
I would say it is an ATCO, one of th eold kick start model swith a Villiers 2 stroke engine. Originally it would have had a small brass tag located on the r/h side near the front with the serial number on it. A very simple numbering scheme was used eg 1757 would be a 17" model dating fromn 1957.
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Quote roatavator Replybullet Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:24pm
Exhaust and fuel tank remind me of an old Atco mower I had years ago. It went well until one day the needle fell out of the carb straight into the engine and that was the end of that. You certainly like a challenge! I keep thinking I'll get another Atco sometime but they're either too far away or too far gone!
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Quote Mowerman Replybullet Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:49pm
Thanks for the fast replies and information. I just started to take it apart and still thinking if it is too far gone.



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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 5:04pm
Hi
i have a machine like this
i think that it looks worse than it actually is.
if you can get hold of a new silencer and if the magneato sparks then it should be ok.
if there is no spark then it will be a very expensive project.
my machine i'm converting to coil ignition because it need a machine to cut grass rather than for show. i might later encase the coil and battery and restore it.
it is nice to know that someone else of my age is interested in these old machines.


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Quote the_mighty_atom Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 5:28pm

the carb on this machine looks to be an early Villiers type V508

I have a slightly later 2 stroke kick start machine with a much more practical pepperpot type exhaust, cuts and runs well for its age.

I believe that this was 89cc engine, Chester Hudson at Tillerparts will have new rings and possibly some other bits for it, otherwise george at villiersparts.co.uk will be able to help I daresay.

the paint colour codes will be on the website of the old lawnmower club, and some more info on this model as well.
 
hope this helps, regards
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p.s. I am 21, and have been tinkering with cranky old mowers, outboard motors, cultivators etc since I was about 10...now graduated to diggers and concrete pumps!!
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 8:51pm
When I worked at the Mendip Mower Co., Radstock, Somerset in 1962 (my first job!) we had a lot of these small Atcos in for sharpening. They were hard to de-coke because the head was non-detachable. We recommended that they were run on double the quantity of oil because they would get quite hot and build up a lot of carbon. With modern 2 stroke oils this should be less of a problem. Make sure the exhaut port is clear, a heck of a lot of carbon can build up here.
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Quote GlenReed Replybullet Posted: 24 Jun 2009 at 9:51pm
Hello the machine is definatly an Atco fitted with a villiers 2 stroke engine which i have found to be pretty much bullet proof except for the coil, these can be purchased New for about 20 from a chap on ebay. the 2 stroke to fuel mix should be 16:1 if you add to much 2 stroke to the fuel not only will it smoke (even more) but it will decrease the burn of the petrol and have the same effect as a lean fuel to air ratio which is hotter running and a higher risk of seizing the engine, hope this helps. If i can be of any more assistance pleaee ask as i have pretty much the same mower as you and a couple of early ransomes with almost the same engine
 
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 29 Jun 2009 at 11:11am
Mine now runs
i wired up an old car coil and used the original pointsand it started right up
i will pu the vid on youtube as soon as i fin my camera lead
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 01 Jul 2009 at 9:53am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h8LwbTUV7w
are they suposed to run this smokey??!!Confused
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Quote roatavator Replybullet Posted: 01 Jul 2009 at 8:16pm
I recall my old Atco (now gone to a better placeCry) was pretty smoky but not as bad as yours. Is it my imagination or did it run less  smoky as it warmed up? Perhaps with a good run it might clear the gunk out. If not consider reducing the oil mix in the fuel a bit. What mix are you using at the moment?
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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 03 Jul 2009 at 9:11am
Pleased to see you gat it running. Smoke did not seem too bad once it had started to warm up. Are you using a modern 2 stroke oil or engine oil? I find the modern oils produce a lot less smoke and run my old Rototiller on both, some tank refills one some the other.
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 03 Jul 2009 at 11:23am
hi
i ran it again today and it was a lot less smokey
ive ordered some aa batterys so it should be more portable
 
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Quote roatavator Replybullet Posted: 03 Jul 2009 at 8:18pm
Good, I thought you might find a good warm up would clear out the gunk. I keep looking on ebay for a local one, I'd like to get my hands on one again, getting fed up with lawn cutting with a modern rotary.
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Quote Philipagri Replybullet Posted: 05 Jul 2009 at 7:31am
Hi
Good to see you have got the Atco running, I have a couple of these, one with what I call a "push kick" starting mechanism with a square rod that you push in with your foot to engage with the crank cog.
However neither has spark so my question is how did you rig up a car coil to the magneto?
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Quote roto Replybullet Posted: 05 Jul 2009 at 8:17am
hi i have one of these atco,s i have seen two advertised on ebay as  a villiers pugh.INFACT I STILL HAVE THE ADVERT ON MY EBAY.mine has no spark have been advised by the previous owner to put the coil in the oven to dry it out, he is getting to old for gardening and he also used to repair.havent tried it yet though.
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 12 Jul 2009 at 5:46pm
Hi
this is a diagram i created of the coil setup
i have set the coil, condenser and most of the wiring on one board so i can use it with my lister, allen scythe and atco mower
i can also use it to boost the starting spark of machines with points (just connect to cut out switch

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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 13 Jul 2009 at 8:22am
Mowersman, this has given me an idea for another article in The Cultivator.
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 13 Jul 2009 at 10:57am
well i look forward to reading it!!!
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Quote Philipagri Replybullet Posted: 13 Jul 2009 at 9:42pm

Pleased to see the diagram, thats very helpful. I had linked up a car coil to the "Hovis" mag on my Wolseley some time ago to get it running, but this used the condenser in the magneto. I couldn't see how to do it with a villiers type flywheel magneto.
The idea of a portable sparking unit is very attractive especially as it is so very expensive  to get mags repaired professionally.Smile 
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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 14 Jul 2009 at 9:28am
It would be fairly simple to mount the whole lot in a sealed box to keep the summer weather out. I am sure there must be a suitable size of box in the 'Lock & Lock' food storage box range.
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 17 Jul 2009 at 1:03pm
http://s489.photobucket.com/albums/rr255/mowersman/coil%20ignition%20unit/

i have just got to put sides and a lid on it now
i produces a fat blue spark every time so should make starting eaiser

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Quote jeremyf Replybullet Posted: 17 Jul 2009 at 7:39pm
I'd like to do this to rule out a magneto problem I may have.
You mention not using 12v as it will overheat the coil but you have 2 12v in parallel? Are you using 1.2v rechargeables? Do you know what sort of current the coil takes?
 
thanks for the info
 
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 17 Jul 2009 at 7:42pm
hi
yes i am using 1.2v batterys
i brought 16 rechargables off ebay for 10.50
they are 2500mah so should run for a while
it was mainly gues work as there are no instruction manuals
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Quote Mowerman Replybullet Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 6:29pm
I have took it apart and now thinking if it is worth restoring, everything is rusted solid .
I will upload pictures when i have room in the shed to get a picture because i can hardly get in their at the moment because it is fall of lawnmowers.
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