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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Topic: wheelhorse?
    Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:02pm
I wonder if any of the Wheelhorse enthusiasts can tell me any wheelhorse models using a transmission / rear chassis similar to this?
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:06pm
from the rear
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:07pm
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 10:35pm
Nothing? I really was hoping that someone would say 'it looks like a 1970 Wheelhorse so and so' cos that's what the rest of it looks like. Does anyone have any info at all on Norlett?
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Quote Simon Smith Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 4:23pm
Does it have a model and chassis number?
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 5:28pm
model no. is 2-4300, on the Toro website that comes out as a A90special, but Wheelhorse (USA) model list gives the A90 no. as 876615, it doesn't resemble the US A90, it was produced by AmNor Belgium.
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Quote nigel Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 7:16pm
a800 ranger
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 8:08pm
Thanks Nigel, but the US built ranger is a verticle crank engine and pressed steel chassis, same as the US built A90
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Quote owen Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 8:26pm
How many forward gears does your tractor have.
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 8:32pm
3 fwd 1 rev, tag on the gearbox is unreadable, but I think it is a Peerless 1400
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Quote fordsonmajortom Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 8:47pm
Looks like a wheelhorse gearbox turned round and rotated by 90 degrees.
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 9:01pm
That's an interesting thought, wish I had a Wheelhorse to compare it with, I think that needs more investigation. Originally I thought they would have just repainted the current Wheelhorse models, but it doesn't look like they did.
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Quote enginear Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2011 at 9:02am
If you want Peerless information try the web its there.
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2011 at 12:27pm
Seems to be a Peerless 1400 transaxle, found a manual on the Tecumseh/Peerless website. I don't think it was used by any Wheelhorse models 
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Quote owen Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2011 at 8:05pm
I see your tractor has one more vent in the bonnet front than the wheel horse. I also found this snippet on A90 special, looks like this wheel horse might have had a peerless.
http://whtractor.15.forumer.com/a/a90-special_post4382.html 
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 30 Jul 2011 at 9:42pm
Thanks Owen, that is exactly the one! same engine spec as well, you've cracked it. I wonder if the Wheelhorse version was built in the US or Belgium? Showman's ROWCROP 8 has the same bonnet vents I think.
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Quote meadowfield Replybullet Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:42am
Missed this thread yesterday...
 
late 60's Wheelhorses had the extra bonnet vent - 704, 856, commando 7, etc.
 
The early Belgian models mimicked this - and probably used the same tooling. Raider 10 onwards went to the slightly larger 5 vent bonnet - used for the next 20 years...
 
Ours has the same serial no. but has a standard wheelhorse tranny... but we can see that it has had some welding work done to modify it - we now know why!!
 
I would conclude that they used a different transmission probably to save cost.
 
thanks for sharing this - all helps with my jigsaw puzzle!
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Quote Simon Smith Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 2:10pm
2-4300 on PartSmart looks the same (Partsmart is often better than the website on old models) apart from it shows a later bonnet. Yours looks like the bonnet on my Commando 8
 
Unfortunately I can't email the pictures from PartSmart.
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 3:19pm
Originally I thought if there was a  Wheelhorse equivalent model it may be easier if I needed parts in the future as nothing appears to be catalogued for Norlett, but it raises a few more questions. Was model 2-4300 built in the US as well as Belgium? I'm sure the US market would have demanded the latest style bonnet. It appears all the other Belgian models by 1974 were using the newer style, all the Norlett tractors I have ever seen (that's only 4) used  the older bonnet, at some point the US A90(2-4300)  must have changed, the picture in Owen's link above is the old one, partsmart lists the newer, are they interchangeable? I wonder if the last of the Norletts used the newer bonnet? 
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Quote Simon Smith Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 4:13pm
Although the picture on partsmart looks to be a later bonnet, the part number would indicate that it is in fact the early one. According to the red book model 2-4300 was only built in Belgium in 1974.
 
If you need parts pm me and I will see if it is available.
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 4:40pm
Another piece of the puzzle solved and thanks for the parts contact offer, does the book give any idea of production numbers?
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Quote Simon Smith Replybullet Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 5:09pm
No idea of numbers at all.
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Quote The Showman Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 7:57am
I think your tractor came about because.
In May 1968 an advert was placed in a Belgium newspaper for a plant manager, Knut Eng ( MD of Norsk Lettmetal )  (Norlett) responded along with Sven Gillfors ( then sales manager for Norlett ). a company was formed called Amnor ( America-Norway ) to build and sell garden tractors. Besides tractors the Amnor plant built some 5 and 7 hp walk behind Norlett tillers. In short the plant opened in April 1969 but didnt start building tractors untill sometime after that, they did it as an april fool joke. In the early days all the tractors were made in ( knocked down ) kit basis and sent to Belgium by container unpainted 100 at a time, then they were assembled. I think the Norlett tractor was put together with a mixture of parts from both parties    
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 8:56am
Thanks Mr Showman for those details, in 1972/3 I did go round the Norlett 'factory' in Thame one sunday (perk for buying 2 tillers) all they  did there was assemble versatiller 1000 / beaver powerspade, though I was shown a brochure of the product range, no photo's only 'artists impressions'. I wish I still had that brochure, it showed a tractor in addition to the tillers but it was 35+ years before I saw one in the flesh.
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Quote fordsonmajortom Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 3:33pm
Why would they go to all the trouble of doing all that fabrication and modification to fit a different gearbox when the existing Wheel Horse box was excellent .Seems to me it was a parts bin tractor using up all the old surplus stock.
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 6:08pm
I just did a bit more internet investigating, the only other Wheelhorse to use this transaxle/chassis and Briggs engine was the A800 special (1-0150) in 1971, 3 years on the Wheelhorse A90 special and Norlett same bits, looks like you are right about it being a parts bin job, I even found a photo of the rear chassis of the A800, though it's an auto (1-0450) it has the same chassis. 
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 6:18pm
which I cannot get to upload (access denied)
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 8:38am
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Quote goldhorse Replybullet Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 8:39am
yes I can
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