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Quote DevonNewbie Replybullet Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 10:08pm
Hi David

I have just had a word with the boss, as she is a materials chemist. Unfortunately I was right and you can't re-vulcanise rubber (hence the tyre mountains). But it is doubly bad news, she don't think the rubber could be glued on. It would require specialist chemical treatment of the metal "shoes" and a specialist glue.

Sorry for the bad news
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Quote jim beacon Replybullet Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 10:11pm
The rubber can be glued reasonable well - we've done it with pads on traction engine wheels.

I'll try and find out what glue is the current favourite.

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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 11:05pm
Hi Jim, your the bearer of good news so! Al lets hope your boss is over analysing the problem!!
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 10:33pm
Have the swamp pads off after much work  with a hammer and chisel. Have removed the tracks and really want to break them down into individual parts now. Only problem is there are not enough 4.5 inch grinder discs in ireland to cut all the bolts out. Far to rusted to ever think about getting them off. Any ideas???
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Get someone with oxy bottles to flame them off.
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 11:35pm
I am afraid it will melt the rubber pieces that the bolts go through.
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Quote charliesfergy Replybullet Posted: 17 Jan 2012 at 8:24am
I would have thought an oxi torch would be ok as it dosent spread much heat just the area it is cutting

or a plasma cutter would do it if you can get hold of one
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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 17 Jan 2012 at 2:54pm
The very thin cutting discs are much better for cutting than a grinding disc. Just don't bend them in use.
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 18 Jan 2012 at 11:56pm
Starting to think about priming and painting. How much filling of rust pock marks? Best primer? Spray applied or heavy coat with brush sanded back before second coat? Best top coat? Not found any other colour paint on the machine so far so thinking it must be original.... Would love to find a bit with the Ransomes blue on it so I could do it all in it.... Any advice appreciated.
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Quote Rusty Nuts Replybullet Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 7:51am
Hello David
You are unlikely to find any blue on the major components. Most Ransomes industrial MGs where not painted blue. I am not sure of the exact colour. The colour on your machine may well be the correct purple. In order to preserve the machine you should try to match the colour. In order to do this, find a part on the machine where the paint is not faded. A place that has been covered by grease can be good. T-cut the paint back, that should be the original colour that can be matched.
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 12:35am
Hi Alastair, want to keep it original so will be following your advice. Any pics of your machines progress?
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Quote Rusty Nuts Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 7:16am
Hello David
Sorry have not really touched the dumper. It is at the back of the shed. Current MG project is rebuilding a Drayton diesel engine. My dumper is not a Water Board one (no tailgate). It is Lawn Mower Green, Which makes me think it might be a later one. It may have been built to order rather than as part of a batch so they did not bother to change the colour on the production line. I must look at the gears to find out because there is no plate. It has had an engine change so now has a Briggs & Stratton engine.
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Quote Ransomes256 Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 9:29am
Alastair,
If there is no tailgate is it a ransomes dumper or a Whitlock conversion?
Many dumpers used by the Metropolitan Water Board were converted to 2 cylinder Briggs and Strattons.
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Quote Rusty Nuts Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2012 at 9:32pm
Hello Neil
It has Ransomes decals on that look original. I have never seen a Whitlock dumper but I assume that they would be yellow like the loaders. The engine is a single cylinder Briggs and Stratton. The other interesting fact is that it has MG40 tracks, so that could well account for the colour. I have allways understood that the Whitlock machines were built after Ransome gave up building them and were more or less identical to the Ransome ones. Hope I have not gone off the thread too much.
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2012 at 11:53pm
Let the thread wander where ever it goes! Hopefully post a few more pictures on Monday of the strip down. Really would appreciate any advice on the filling, priming and painting end of things as its where I have least experience.
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Quote simar kid Replybullet Posted: 22 Jan 2012 at 4:06pm
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Let the thread wander where ever it goes! Hopefully post a few more pictures on Monday of the strip down. Really would appreciate any advice on the filling, priming and painting end of things as its where I have least experience.
    if you are concerned about the deep pits on the track chains what i suggest is that you spray them with BODY SHULTZ and when dry you are satisfied that you have filled them to your liking,you can apply any type of paint on top of the body schultz to give final colour
Not sure whats wrong. i think we will let it develop
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 25 Jan 2012 at 10:28pm
More concerned about general rust on the chassis frame. Would you fill it to get it 100 % flat or is that overkill on a restotation such as this?
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Quote simar kid Replybullet Posted: 26 Jan 2012 at 6:59pm
i would fill it all on the chassis and even on the bodywork,because that is what you will see the most.
Not sure whats wrong. i think we will let it develop
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Quote sdarmstrong Replybullet Posted: 26 Jan 2012 at 10:02pm
Thats what I thought. Best filler? Applied before or after priming? Best primer? Best topcoat?
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