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I replaced the bearings in mine, and found that oil seals had been fitted to the hub that shouldn't of been there, oil couldn't get from the final drive to the hub. of course I would of replaced them if it wasn't for Neil pointing it out. whats caused the rubbing on the casing?

Started work on mine again today... yea...

Tom

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The rubbing is a bit of a mystery as the bearings are fine and no obvious play in anything.... Hope I dont find I have missed something when its all back together..... Neil is the man to put you right on all this stuff . Starting work on repairing my fuel tank this week . I will post a few pics when finished.

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013 at 7:45am

I guess the rubbing was caused by a previous bearing failure which had been repaired and the housing reused. As you say everything in the box looks good.

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That's what I was telling myself as well Neil !

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Posted: 28 Feb 2013 at 11:15pm

Next time your considering breaking down the tracks on a ransomes crawler into their component parts then cleaning them back to bare metal, priming and painting.... Stop. Reconsider your life goals, what other things you could be doing instead, how long you will be dead for... Then tell yourself it will be worth it in the end and get that spray gun back in your hand..... again .....

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Posted: 01 Mar 2013 at 6:33pm

I thought about doing mine, and decided not too, they can be done at a later date. I want to see how much the stones up here shine them up before thinking about painting them! Pictures would be apreciated!!!! if you have made a good job I could always send mine over for you to do....

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Well despite the acid rust removal i still could not get the last bits from down in the corners of the track pieces. So today i took delivery of a blasting cabinet. Glass beads on the way tomorrow so any advice from anyone out there ???

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Posted: 18 Mar 2013 at 12:49pm

Don't bother, first time you go out they'll be fill of much again! Unless you're going concours and will only drive it on carpet.

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They are very badly rusted so I want to try and prevent them getting any worse. If it was to be a true working machine I would not bother though.I have not taken any photos lately though work has been progressing. I will get a few during the week and stick them up.

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A few photos of my current battle with rust. I have been filling in some of the holes in the track sections by building up with weld. Low hydrogen rods and a lot of patience.... Some of them are very badly gone around the bolt holes though. Any ideas on what I could do with them ? Other photos show my " spray line" . I have 23 welded up and primed, only another what is it ? 5000 to go .... The track rebuild has really set my program back months. Oh well ...

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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 7:57am

David,

I admire your patience.

I have thrown better than these away.

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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 10:13am

Hi Neil
It's a pity you didn't throw them in a box and send them over to me!!
I could really do with about 6 half decent ones though. The ones that are rusted through around the bolt holes are a major problem. Starting to think about cutting pieces out with the gas and welding plate back in. Don't suppose you know anyone with a scrap one in Ireland ?
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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 10:39am

There was a set of tracks for sale on the usual auction site about ten days ago !

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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 11:11am

Can't find them Thomas. What were they listed under?

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David,

Sorry not aware of any in Ireland.

I notice the track is the agriculture track and not the industrial section. Problem you may find with replacements is that due to the swamp blocks being used the wear is on the drive and roller side rather than the ground contact side where as most track will be the opposite. This can lead to a distinctive step in the wheel rolling surface if odd sections are replaced. Additionally be careful when reassembling the track as the driving wheel teeth will be worn more on one side than the other and this can lead to engagement problems if the sections are reversed one against another ie. big pitch, small pitch.

It does not matter which way round but all the same way is better.

Neil

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I will keep that in mind when I eventually get to re assembly stage Neil ! In the mean time I guess I will have to strongly think about cutting out sections and welding something back in to them. I patched my fuel tank which had 2 holes about 2 inch square in it. Managed to seal the patch but around 20 other leaks then appeared. 10 brazing rods later it was still leaking. If you have any pallets coming my way I will get a new tank off you.

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Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 4:44pm

finished about a week ago,never gave them much of a look just noticed them.
As I said I am not doing mine, they can be removed and done later, surely spare ones floating about, there was a scrappy on selling 5 various machines in poor condition but he wanted silly money, too much for a donor machine.

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The track repairs continue !!!!

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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 8:01am

Hat of to you!!! but it looks like your on the right track....

I am jealous, I just haven't been able to get to mine between other commitments, in fact got to the point last week I thought about selling her in parts as I am fed up tripping over parts and not having time to get on with it.

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A true labour of love...

6 months ago I couldn't even spell engineer - now I are one
Calne, North Wiltshire...

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Ah it's become a type of madness I think! Have the engine all cleaned down ready for paint and most of the other parts at the same stage. Now if only work and household duties would go away so I could start rebuild.... Oh I forgot I still have another 100000000 track parts to weld , grind , sand blast, prime , undercoat and finish coat . Then start on the swamp pads .....

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Posted: 27 May 2013 at 10:15pm

Just an update on progress. Various track parts soaking in a molasses solution and going very well. The rubber spacers which have alot of rust stuck to them are coming out only in need of a light scrub ! It's good stuff !!

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Any ideas on how to get this plate looking like new? Its much duller in reality than in the picture....

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Help !?!?!?

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What about replacing them with new reproduction. SG1 posted about some he had made for his gem's and they were the dogs and not too expensive.

http://www.tractorbox.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7514&KW=

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in the past with brass ive used battery acid but keep an eye on them and where eye protection and then stuck them in brown vininger to get the coulour back

ime very posh

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Thomas Forum Member Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 17 Feb 2013 at 6:45pm
	I replaced the bearings in mine, and found that oil seals had been fitted to the hub that shouldn't of been there, oil couldn't get from the final drive to the hub. of course I would of replaced them if it wasn't for Neil pointing it out. whats caused the rubbing on the casing? Started work on mine again today... yea... Tom
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 18 Feb 2013 at 11:45pm
	The rubbing is a bit of a mystery as the bearings are fine and no obvious play in anything.... Hope I dont find I have missed something when its all back together..... Neil is the man to put you right on all this stuff . Starting work on repairing my fuel tank this week . I will post a few pics when finished.
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Ransomes256 Forum Member Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 71	Posted: 19 Feb 2013 at 7:45am
	I guess the rubbing was caused by a previous bearing failure which had been repaired and the housing reused. As you say everything in the box looks good. Neil
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 19 Feb 2013 at 11:43am
	That's what I was telling myself as well Neil !
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 28 Feb 2013 at 11:15pm
	Next time your considering breaking down the tracks on a ransomes crawler into their component parts then cleaning them back to bare metal, priming and painting.... Stop. Reconsider your life goals, what other things you could be doing instead, how long you will be dead for... Then tell yourself it will be worth it in the end and get that spray gun back in your hand..... again .....
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Thomas Forum Member Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 01 Mar 2013 at 6:33pm
	I thought about doing mine, and decided not too, they can be done at a later date. I want to see how much the stones up here shine them up before thinking about painting them! Pictures would be apreciated!!!! if you have made a good job I could always send mine over for you to do....
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 10:31pm
	Well despite the acid rust removal i still could not get the last bits from down in the corners of the track pieces. So today i took delivery of a blasting cabinet. Glass beads on the way tomorrow so any advice from anyone out there ???
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marshallnut Forum Member Joined: 07 Mar 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 18 Mar 2013 at 12:49pm
	Don't bother, first time you go out they'll be fill of much again! Unless you're going concours and will only drive it on carpet.
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 18 Mar 2013 at 8:49pm
	They are very badly rusted so I want to try and prevent them getting any worse. If it was to be a true working machine I would not bother though.I have not taken any photos lately though work has been progressing. I will get a few during the week and stick them up.
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 27 Mar 2013 at 10:45pm

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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 27 Mar 2013 at 10:51pm
	A few photos of my current battle with rust. I have been filling in some of the holes in the track sections by building up with weld. Low hydrogen rods and a lot of patience.... Some of them are very badly gone around the bolt holes though. Any ideas on what I could do with them ? Other photos show my " spray line" . I have 23 welded up and primed, only another what is it ? 5000 to go .... The track rebuild has really set my program back months. Oh well ...
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Ransomes256 Forum Member Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 71	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 7:57am
	David, I admire your patience. I have thrown better than these away. Neil
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 10:13am
	Hi Neil It's a pity you didn't throw them in a box and send them over to me!! I could really do with about 6 half decent ones though. The ones that are rusted through around the bolt holes are a major problem. Starting to think about cutting pieces out with the gas and welding plate back in. Don't suppose you know anyone with a scrap one in Ireland ? Regards David
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Thomas Forum Member Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 10:39am
	There was a set of tracks for sale on the usual auction site about ten days ago !
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 11:11am
	Can't find them Thomas. What were they listed under?
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Ransomes256 Forum Member Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 71	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 11:51am
	David, Sorry not aware of any in Ireland. I notice the track is the agriculture track and not the industrial section. Problem you may find with replacements is that due to the swamp blocks being used the wear is on the drive and roller side rather than the ground contact side where as most track will be the opposite. This can lead to a distinctive step in the wheel rolling surface if odd sections are replaced. Additionally be careful when reassembling the track as the driving wheel teeth will be worn more on one side than the other and this can lead to engagement problems if the sections are reversed one against another ie. big pitch, small pitch. It does not matter which way round but all the same way is better. Neil
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 12:51pm
	I will keep that in mind when I eventually get to re assembly stage Neil ! In the mean time I guess I will have to strongly think about cutting out sections and welding something back in to them. I patched my fuel tank which had 2 holes about 2 inch square in it. Managed to seal the patch but around 20 other leaks then appeared. 10 brazing rods later it was still leaking. If you have any pallets coming my way I will get a new tank off you.
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Thomas Forum Member Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 28 Mar 2013 at 4:44pm
	finished about a week ago,never gave them much of a look just noticed them. As I said I am not doing mine, they can be removed and done later, surely spare ones floating about, there was a scrappy on selling 5 various machines in poor condition but he wanted silly money, too much for a donor machine.
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 09 May 2013 at 10:11pm
	The track repairs continue !!!!
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Thomas Forum Member Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 10 May 2013 at 8:01am
	Hat of to you!!! but it looks like your on the right track.... I am jealous, I just haven't been able to get to mine between other commitments, in fact got to the point last week I thought about selling her in parts as I am fed up tripping over parts and not having time to get on with it.
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will_haggle Forum Member Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3913	Posted: 10 May 2013 at 8:14am
	A true labour of love...
	6 months ago I couldn't even spell engineer - now I are one Calne, North Wiltshire...
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 10 May 2013 at 10:57pm
	Ah it's become a type of madness I think! Have the engine all cleaned down ready for paint and most of the other parts at the same stage. Now if only work and household duties would go away so I could start rebuild.... Oh I forgot I still have another 100000000 track parts to weld , grind , sand blast, prime , undercoat and finish coat . Then start on the swamp pads .....
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 27 May 2013 at 10:15pm
	Just an update on progress. Various track parts soaking in a molasses solution and going very well. The rubber spacers which have alot of rust stuck to them are coming out only in need of a light scrub ! It's good stuff !!
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 28 May 2013 at 11:11pm

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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 28 May 2013 at 11:12pm
	Any ideas on how to get this plate looking like new? Its much duller in reality than in the picture....
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sdarmstrong Forum Member Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 203	Posted: 29 May 2013 at 11:44pm
	Help !?!?!?
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Phil Somers Forum Member Joined: 25 Nov 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 334	Posted: 30 May 2013 at 9:13am
	What about replacing them with new reproduction. SG1 posted about some he had made for his gem's and they were the dogs and not too expensive. http://www.tractorbox.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7514&KW= Phil
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nigel Forum Member Joined: 26 Nov 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 682	Posted: 30 May 2013 at 6:03pm
	in the past with brass ive used battery acid but keep an eye on them and where eye protection and then stuck them in brown vininger to get the coulour back
	ime very posh
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