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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Topic: Atco standard
    Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 5:11pm
I have acquired a atco 16" standard mower, i am trying to find out what year it was made ? i am sure it was made after 1922 ( i think ) would anyone have any idea..... I had a tinker with it this afternoon and got it running a treat
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 6:35pm
Not allways but often, if you remove the flywheel cover on these villiers, you will find a date stamped in a small circle.
If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 7:31pm
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Not allways but often, if you remove the flywheel cover on these villiers, you will find a date stamped in a small circle.
Thanks for that s1g, will have a look in the morning..
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 7:34pm
Just re read it the date is usually stamped in the flywheel.
If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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Quote wristpin Replybullet Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 9:06pm
Couple of machines that I have worked on have had a date written in pencil on the magneto armature back plate.
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 11:47am
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Just re read it the date is usually stamped in the flywheel.
just had a look and the only number i could find is this..?
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 1:49pm
Unless others can tell differenty that wont be much good in dating it. Ive got a feeling they were made from the mid 30's to the 50's, have you the serial number of the mower by any chance as some atco numbers translate into dates. There was somebody 18mths-2 years ago on here who posted a blog, covering the restoration of one of these but i cant find it at the moment.Perhaps somebody who was following remembers it and can give you the link.
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Quote Andy Frost Replybullet Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 5:09pm
Firstly we really need to establish what engine model you have fitted.Most Standards have a MKV1C engine , which only had a very short production run (1922/3), it has long been my belief that Pughs bought a load of these up upon Villiers ending the run , and subsequently fitted these to machines throughout the latter part of the 1920s and into the early 30s.
Having said this , the pictured machine is 22" , and some of these did have larger engines fitted.
As far as date stamping on magnetos is concerned , I have date stamps on some early mags , but not on others , quite why this is so , I'm not sure.

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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by Andy Frost

Firstly we really need to establish what engine model you have fitted.Most Standards have a MKV1C engine , which only had a very short production run (1922/3), it has long been my belief that Pughs bought a load of these up upon Villiers ending the run , and subsequently fitted these to machines throughout the latter part of the 1920s and into the early 30s.
Having said this , the pictured machine is 22" , and some of these did have larger engines fitted.
As far as date stamping on magnetos is concerned , I have date stamps on some early mags , but not on others , quite why this is so , I'm not sure.

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just had a look at the engine model and looks like mark V1-C...?
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Quote Andy Frost Replybullet Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 6:34pm
I wouldn't like to predict the exact year , just to say that it's mid to late 1920s.

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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 7:39pm

I have just found some more engine numbers under some thick grime Smile, looks like   H . 18565

 
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Quote plonker Replybullet Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 1:11am
Nice machine, go to the "Old Lawnmower Site" and you can look up lots of information, I have the 24" model which like the 30" has a J.A.P. 600cc engine fitted, with an oil pump and a duel oil and petrol tank.
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 5:29pm
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Nice machine, go to the "Old Lawnmower Site" and you can look up lots of information, I have the 24" model which like the 30" has a J.A.P. 600cc engine fitted, with an oil pump and a duel oil and petrol tank.
Thanks for that plonker, had a quick look and looks like i will become a member..
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 11:47pm

Been up me work shop this evening and dug out me wood lathe cleaned it all down and had a go at making some rollers, the ones that were on it were well rotten and filled with woodworm...

 
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Quote hdtrust Replybullet Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 1:23am
Time to get your tape measure out again,but this time measure the width of the cutting cylinder not the whole machine!
I think you will find it is a 16 inch Atco Standard.
Its not a 22 inch on 2 counts,1,It has the wrong clutch plate.2,The engine is wrong.
The 16 inch was introduced in 1923 and ceased production in 1930,yours dates to between 1923 and 1926.
As to Andy,I suggest you keep the romantic stories away from Engineering history
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 8:06am
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Time to get your tape measure out again,but this time measure the width of the cutting cylinder not the whole machine!
I think you will find it is a 16 inch Atco Standard.
Its not a 22 inch on 2 counts,1,It has the wrong clutch plate.2,The engine is wrong.
The 16 inch was introduced in 1923 and ceased production in 1930,yours dates to between 1923 and 1926.
As to Andy,I suggest you keep the romantic stories away from Engineering history
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Well spotted, I dont know why for the life of me why i put down 22" and not 16", i bought as a 16" and thanks for the info thats top job....Thumbs%20Up
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Quote Andy Frost Replybullet Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 5:47pm
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As to Andy,I suggest you keep the romantic stories away from Engineering historyRegards HDTrust



Lost me there , care to elaborate.

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Quote hdtrust Replybullet Posted: 25 Oct 2012 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by Andy Frost

Firstly we really need to establish what engine model you have fitted.Most Standards have a MKV1C engine , which only had a very short production run (1922/3), it has long been my belief that Pughs bought a load of these up upon Villiers ending the run , and subsequently fitted these to machines throughout the latter part of the 1920s and into the early 30s.
Having said this , the pictured machine is 22" , and some of these did have larger engines fitted.
As far as date stamping on magnetos is concerned , I have date stamps on some early mags , but not on others , quite why this is so , I'm not sure.

Andy.
I think your thoughts on Atco buying large amounts of this engine to use as late as the 1930's is incorrect.The production time was greater than you stated.This engine was also used by other manufacturers as well to include Auto Culto.
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Quote Andy Frost Replybullet Posted: 26 Oct 2012 at 4:22pm
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Originally posted by Andy Frost

Firstly we really need to establish what engine model you have fitted.Most Standards have a MKV1C engine , which only had a very short production run (1922/3), it has long been my belief that Pughs bought a load of these up upon Villiers ending the run , and subsequently fitted these to machines throughout the latter part of the 1920s and into the early 30s.
Having said this , the pictured machine is 22" , and some of these did have larger engines fitted.
As far as date stamping on magnetos is concerned , I have date stamps on some early mags , but not on others , quite why this is so , I'm not sure.

Andy.
I think your thoughts on Atco buying large amounts of this engine to use as late as the 1930's is incorrect.The production time was greater than you stated.This engine was also used by other manufacturers as well to include Auto Culto.


Hi , it is quite well documented that the V1C(6c) engine was only produced by Villiers for two years (1922/3) so on that score I'm all ears as to how the Standards were produced after this with the V1C engine,which they undoubtedly were.
As for Auto Culto using them , I've yet to see one , I would say you are confusing them with the V111C(8C) , which is a very similar, infact almost identical looking engine of exactly the same CC.

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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 5:09pm
All stripped down ready for a good clean and get all the old paint off. I was stunned to how many parts there are to it.
 
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 9:45pm
Thats the woodwork side of it done, rollers and the handles, now to get stuck into the metalwork side of it..
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 19 Nov 2012 at 2:39pm
I need some help, going through the pile of parts something took my eye"the tool box" its all metal and the ones i have seen in pictures seem to have metal lids and wooden trays? so what would be the correct type or where there two sorts made ? Any help would be great...
 
 
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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 19 Nov 2012 at 3:18pm
I am sure mine has an all metal toolbox, would need to have a look to confirm this.
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 19 Nov 2012 at 5:15pm
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I am sure mine has an all metal toolbox, would need to have a look to confirm this.
Thank you charlie that would be a great help if you could, that would be one thing less to sort out.
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Quote milkman Replybullet Posted: 19 Nov 2012 at 6:43pm
When I visited our local 'scrappy' this summer there was a Standard on the pile, it still had an auction sticker on the tank!  I intended to make an offer on it after I unloaded but alas it had by then been crushed with the Hymac, "No collectibles in my scrap yards, it's all old junk to me" the owner told me with a laugh.  Another case of nearly but not quite I'm afraid.
 
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Quote plonker Replybullet Posted: 19 Nov 2012 at 9:47pm
That tool box is exactly like the one on my 24" Atco from the 1920,s
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 11:54am
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When I visited our local 'scrappy' this summer there was a Standard on the pile, it still had an auction sticker on the tank!  I intended to make an offer on it after I unloaded but alas it had by then been crushed with the Hymac, "No collectibles in my scrap yards, it's all old junk to me" the owner told me with a laugh.  Another case of nearly but not quite I'm afraid.
 
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I know the feeling i had a similar sort of thing happen to me a few years back.
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 11:55am
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That tool box is exactly like the one on my 24" Atco from the 1920,s
Thank you philip thats great to know..!
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 3:24pm
After having a closer look at the fuel tank and getting all the paint and muck off i come across some bad repair work, some cracks which had lumps of solder on the top and the same with the flange on the fuel tap..
 
 
 
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 6:06pm
I had to remove the fuel tap flange completey as it was a real bodge job.
 
 
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 3:15pm

Removed all the old solder off the tank and fuel tap flange refitted and soldered back in place, now for the cracks...

 
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Quote Dieselhead Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 5:39pm
Thats a neat job you have done thereThumbs%20Up
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 9:00pm
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Thats a neat job you have done thereThumbs%20Up
Thank you for that chris, its just the cracks i have to sort now... Confused
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2012 at 2:55pm
One end of the fuel tank done.
 
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Quote kpthorsefan Replybullet Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 8:55am
Fuel tank all repaired, sealed and pressure tested,and filled the big dent on the top and one or two of the small ones.
 
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