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Darmic1
Forum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531 |
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This is my next project.......... Its another Freebie, although not complete (missing the back end, rotors and shaft) Its fairly sound. Lots of original paint and no serious rust issues. The engine appears to be missing the exhaust and the air filter. I dont know how long this has been stood, It has some compression but think for my piece of mind I will strip it down and rebuild it.
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Martinh
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At least the tyres are looking good It's all nuts and bolts and Villiers engine spares seem easy to get . They were a nice little machine
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Darmic1
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Yes Martin, the tyres are very good! Not much wear which makes me think its not been worked too hard. Another good thing is there is no play in the wheels either. |
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Darmic1
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I removed the Villiers from this machine about a week ago. Once home started to assess it and make a shopping list...... It has a little compression, not enough for it to run though. It turns nice and freely with no horrible noises but no spark at all. It will need an exhaust, an air filter and a carb kit. S1G informs me these engines have flakey coils, so a new coil and condenser will also be added to the shopping list. A set of gaskets, a new plug, lead, a slosh of fresh oil and hopefully she will run again.
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Darmic1
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Here are some pictures of the dismantling...... This first picture shows the rocker cover removed. First impressions would indicate something amiss with the exhaust pushrod, its not seated under the rocker arm. Hmmm?
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Darmic1
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Thankfully after a bit of investigation a sticky valve has allowed the pushrod to drop sideways without causing any damage.
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Darmic1
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some more photo's as its taken apart.......
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Darmic1
Forum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531 |
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Piston and Bore seem in really good condition.......
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Darmic1
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There was a huge amount of sticky oily mess over the bottom of the engine.... so into the parts washer, and its come up really good. Lots of original paint and virtually no rust!
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Darmic1
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Think the sticky valve is down to a build up of carbon. The cylinder head and valves were quite badly coked up......
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Darmic1
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The valves after a clean on the brass wheel..... and a comparison between a BJ valve from a Gem with the Villiers valve from the Bantam......
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Darmic1
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I would also appear that this Bantam may have been Mouse powered at some point, judging by what was found in the cowling......
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series V Ash
New Member ![]() Joined: 07 May 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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hi darmic may be able to help you with rotor box ashgive me acall 07922128303
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daviddale
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Hello, I have one of these machines myself, they have an overhead valve engine as opposed to the older more common side valve ones. Mine despite a strip down clean up and fresh oil etc good spark after a new coil too but engine does not turn as freely as I'd hoped, no damage or partial seizures as I can see or feel, but pulling it over is a bind, I have had it running for a few minutes at a time, but I need to get around to making a new throttle cable one day, carb end is just a tiny piece of solder, no nipple, how do I cast one on? I suppose I'll end up putting some copper wire around cable end and filling with solder, somehow,DD.
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Regards, David.
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Phil Somers
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[QUOTE=daviddale]Hello, I have one of these machines myself, they have an overhead valve engine as opposed to the older more common side valve ones. Mine despite a strip down clean up and fresh oil etc good spark after a new coil too but engine does not turn as freely as I'd hoped, no damage or partial seizures as I can see or feel, but pulling it over is a bind, I have had it running for a few minutes at a time, but I need to get around to making a new throttle cable one day, carb end is just a tiny piece of solder, no nipple, how do I cast one on? I suppose I'll end up putting some copper wire around cable end and filling with solder, somehow,DD.
Try here, you can build your own. http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/motorcycle/controlcable.php Phil |
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Stuart.
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I make up all my own cables from old or scrap lawnmower / garden machinery cables.I "braze" (using oxy / acetylene equipment)nipples on the end of the cables as its much stronger than solder.In fact only yesterday i made a "new" clutch cable up for my 1985 Honda CR60R childs moto-cross bike as the genuine cables from Honda are NLA / obsolete.
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will_haggle
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I use universal bicycle brake cables, Wilkinsons sell them for about £1.14, they have a pear nipple on one end and a barrel nipple on the other. The nipples can be re-shaped, slid up the cable to where you want them.
I would advise against braze or silver solder for cables, the heat affects the temper of the cable and when I was running a Norton motorcycle the clutch cable used to break near the nipple where the cable had been weakened. Soft solder with an iron is best. |
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6 months ago I couldn't even spell engineer - now I are one
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Phil Somers
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Got to agree with Alan on the soldering. It does weaken the cables if you braze them, it was a definate no-no to make brake cables that way. Stick to soldering.
The only problem with universal brake cables is that they are normaly thicker than throttle cables and the nipples are bigger.
Phil
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Charlie
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This link may be of some use soldering a cable niple
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'Don't force it! Get a bigger hammer'
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howardman
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I have used mig wire clamped with those double screw electrical connector/joiners. I am working on a mark 15 ohv Villiers at present like yours darmic...any ideas how a new rocker cover gasket could be made? mine is shot and has covered the engine in oil.
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Darmic1
Forum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531 |
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Get some gasket paper, Ive got various thicknesses from the bay in the past. Draw around the Rocker cover, then draw a parallel line about 4 or 5 mm inside the outer one. Then cut out with either a sharp stanley knife or some good scissors, voila!
Ive got to either make a new magneto back plate gasket or order a full set up for mine as there was an oil leak from that area. |
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Darmic1
Forum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 531 |
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Decided to investigate the lack of spark today. Removed the Magneto coil, Condensor, Points etc..... all were absolutely covered in oil. Not suprising there was no spark really! These pictures show it after the clean up.
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Darmic1
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Also cleaned up the flywheel and the rope starter too. Its all in remarkably good condition. I think this machine has been stored inside most its life, as all the parts are in so much better condition than my Gems were.
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Darmic1
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All back together, but still no spark. Tested the plug lead, nothing! Further investigation revealed the plug lead and cap are from a more modern engine, a silicone lead of the Unipart variety..... A test with the meter straight onto the coil and to earth reveals some electrical activity, but until I have a relacement copper lead and cap I wont know for sure if the coil and condensor are good enough for a spark to be produced.
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jim beacon
Forum Member ![]() Joined: 29 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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Gaskets sets are available from Meetens in Gosport - got one for the Mk15 on my Auto Culto Junior last September. The set was made up whilst I waited, and they are happy to do individual gaskets.
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The Allen & Simmonds Register
http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/autoculto For users of Auto Culto, Autogardener, Horticulto, Midgiculto and other Allen & Simmonds products. |
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Darmic1
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Brilliant! Thankyou.......might pop down tomorrow, its only 45-60 minutes from me.
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wristpin
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That's a good link with good advice. If the nipple is slightly countersunk and the splayed end of the cable filled with solder the splay can't close up and pull through. The wedging action of the splay is far more effective than just relying on the "glueing" of the solder. Can't beat good old Bakers soldering fluid for cables! Central Spares used to sell a solder pot but I see that it has disappeared from the current catalogue. All the ones from UK sellers on flebay seem a bit expensive for private users and not too sure about ordering from Hong Kong! |
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howardman
Forum Member ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 292 |
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I got mine running with a borrowed carb from a Howard 200...but must strip down and clean up like you have....must be oily behind flywheel. Will contact meetens for gaskets.
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Darmic1
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Took a trip down to Gosport today, to Meetens. Have purchased most of the bits to get the engine up and running. I say most as I realised when I got home I had forgotten the Airfilter....... Will have to phone tomorrow to order one!
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Darmic1
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The good news was the Coil is good! It was tested and found to be working absolutely fine!!! A significant saving there.
The other good news is that they have Valve guides in stock, here is the new, against the old showing the crack, and a shot of the new guide fitted. ![]() ![]() |
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Darmic1
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Have been busy with the orange spray too..... Most the engine has been stripped, Etch primed and given a couple of top coats of colour.
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series V Ash
New Member ![]() Joined: 07 May 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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nice job to your lovely standard as usual keep it up
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series1gem
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Hi Darren, heres a few shots of doner machine you can have.
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If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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series1gem
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If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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series1gem
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If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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