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Quote daviddale Replybullet Topic: Auto Culto, old style!
    Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 6:41pm
My mate Des gave me this, he moved his workshop and scrapped loads but saved a few interesting bits and pieces for me.
He reckons it's 1930's but I thought a bit later than that, but could be wrong.
Comes with a plough and a set of "skimmers" or horse hoe type blades.
Just an odd bit of rust here and there...
Came with a BSA engine with a gearbox, wrong one I'm sure, much later.
I hope to fit a Villiers Mk25 to it one day, when I have some free time.
He brought me two motorbike 19" knobbly tyres, although he said wheel rims are 18 inch though, could be an interesting "marriage"! David.


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Quote daviddale Replybullet Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 6:43pm
BSA engine looks like it may have come off a bale elevator or something similar.
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Quote simar kid Replybullet Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 7:27pm
david. did you get a rear land wheel for plough ? it is unique because it acts as a transport wheel aswell. just saves you having arms like a gorilla.
Not sure whats wrong. i think we will let it develop
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Quote Dieselhead Replybullet Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 8:12pm
The tool frame is for an Allen scytheThumbs%20Up
Chris. I aint getting on no plane. Fool!
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Quote jim beacon Replybullet Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 9:49pm
It looks like a Model M (not too sure without seeing the front), in which case, it should have a Villiers 25C.
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Quote Andy Frost Replybullet Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 10:59pm
I would say it's a model L , going by the tyre size.

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Quote daviddale Replybullet Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by simar kid

david. did you get a rear land wheel for plough ? it is unique because it acts as a transport wheel aswell. just saves you having arms like a gorilla. [IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align="middle" />

Hello, sorry no, just what's in the pictures, is all I got.
You are spot on though, it took two of us to move it to it's present resting place!
Oh, hang on a minute, it's not very clear in the pictures, but there is a wheel on the end of the horse hoe ensemble, is that it or is it similar or is it moveable from there?
All help gratefully received fellas.
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Quote simar kid Replybullet Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 7:28am
David. Some time ago i restored one its on here and i made sure there was lots of pictures. Take a look.
Not sure whats wrong. i think we will let it develop
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Quote daviddale Replybullet Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 3:54pm
Sk, thanks for pointing out that link to me, that gives me lots of encouragement now!
I'm sure that I'll never be able to achieve what you have with yours, but I am going to strip her out this Winter and see what I've got, Des says that he could find no markings whatsoever on the whole machine, but if I clean it up well and do some sand blasting next Spring/Summer in the warm and dry, I'm sure that I ought to find something somewhere, it would be nice to know the exact model and date of manufacture, even if only approximately.
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Quote simar kid Replybullet Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 9:04pm
I believe that on the models there was a plate but I could not find one on mine but there was numbers stamped near to where the tool frame fits to main chassis of machine. take a butchers down there when you start rubbing down.
Not sure whats wrong. i think we will let it develop
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Quote Andy Frost Replybullet Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 6:32pm
The ID plate "should" be on the inside of the channel on the right handlebar , but more often than not rust pushes them off.
It's either a Model M or L , as has been said difficult to tell from the picture.
Easiest way of telling is by the engine , if it's the twinport engine it's a Model L , if it's a 25C , it will be a Model M.

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Quote jim beacon Replybullet Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 6:44pm
If the ID plate is missing, sometimes(!) the serial number is stamped into the handlebar, teh following is from my site

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On earlier models, serial numbers are found on  a brass plate fixed to the outside of the left hand (wooden) handlebar, a brass plate fixed to the inside top of the right hand (steel) handlebar, or stamped into the top of the left hand (steel) handlebar. Models fitted with an Albion gearbox normally have the serial number on a brass plate fixed to the clutch cover."
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http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/autoculto

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Quote jim beacon Replybullet Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 6:58pm
Steel handlebars point to it being the L / M / KG range of models.

As Andy says, the M has a Villiers 25C, with a pressed metal engine cover, and a single exhaust to the rear. The L has a cast aluminium engine cooling duct, with two exhaust ports to the front.

If the original engine is missing, the L has a toolbox mounted on a curved bracket, in front of the engine.

There are some pictures of Simar Kid's model L here:
http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/autoculto/modell.htm

Andy has sent me some pictures of his restored Model M, but I haven't got around to putting the page together yet.

Jim
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Quote jim beacon Replybullet Posted: 20 Aug 2013 at 8:52pm
So this has spurred me to do a minor site update!

Pictures of a Model M are here:

http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/autoculto/modelm.htm
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Quote daviddale Replybullet Posted: 21 Aug 2013 at 1:15pm
Oh brilliant, thank you very much for all the info, I'm even looking forward to making up some bits of wood for the handles on my metalwork lathe now!
I must pull it out soon and find some numbers if I can.
No engine fitted at the moment though, I do have a couple of spare Villiers Mk25's.
Regards, David.
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