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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Topic: Ransomes Automaton mower
    Posted: 03 Oct 2009 at 6:40pm
A friend of mine bought this at the Autumn Show at Ardingly today, its a Ransomes Sims and Jefferies 10" Automaton mower, could any of you mower enthusiasts give any information on it, like approx year of manufacture, correct colours etc ???





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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 04 Oct 2009 at 7:05pm
Have you had a look on the Old Lawn Mower Club website?
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 04 Oct 2009 at 8:11pm
Thanks Charlie just had a look dates vary from 1867 - 1930 so somewhere in that 63 years. Would be nice if anyone might be able to narrow it down a little

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Quote Philipagri Replybullet Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 7:21am

I believe your friends mower would date after 1910. The first chain automatons were produced in 1895 and the nameplate/scraperbar was more ornate with a circle in the middle with the words "patent chain automaton" in the circle. I have one of these and have tried to upload a photo, but no success yet.
These  were apparently followed with the additional words "by appointment to the King" in the circle from 1902.
Your friends mower appears complete except for the deflector plate that sits in the slots behind the blades.
Success, it uploaded!
You can see I am missing the block chains on mine, does anyone have any or any ideas for replacements?
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 6:08pm
Hello Philipagri
Many thanks for the information, I will pass it on
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 5:11pm
Thought you might like to see a progress report on the mower, these photos were taken today.
The handles were fitted to take the photos, there is some paintwork to finish and ideally the wooden rollers need replacing...









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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 5:12pm
The blades were also quickly dropped into place for the photos, the chain needs adjusting as well...
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 9:02pm
be intresting to see how well it cuts!
If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 9:18pm
Yep, lawns are a bit deep and crisp and even at the moment !!!
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 9:46pm
Any chance of a spare chain, my Greens Silens Messor needs one.....
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It looks OK here but fell apart when dimantling....
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Quote Mowerman Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 10:02pm
I've got a Green Silens Messor, they are a fairly small mower but quite heavy. Pmackellow it looks great. done a good job.
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 10:03pm
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 11:07pm
These old mowers are the answer to the bl**dy engine not starting when you get it out of the shed!
If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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Quote farmers boy 2 Replybullet Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 11:14pm
Hi paul nice job on that little mower !!! it was made just up the road from where i was born !!! a few years earier though !!! for the mower that is !!!_popupControl();
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 03 Jan 2010 at 9:58am
Originally posted by Mowerman

I've got a Green Silens Messor, they are a fairly small mower but quite heavy. Pmackellow it looks great. done a good job.
That's what the ring on the front is for - the boy to pull!
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Quote Mowerman Replybullet Posted: 03 Jan 2010 at 10:19am
Mine is missing the front bar, I store my push mowers up high on a shelf in the shed so carry it on and off the shelf for shows.
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Quote Charlie Replybullet Posted: 03 Jan 2010 at 10:32am
I take the handles off my mowers as they then take up a lot less space.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 03 Jan 2010 at 10:37am
I can't take the credit for the restoration, the mower belongs to and was restored by my mate, he will be leaving the handles off it as it makes it easier to store and transport
Mr Haggle, no ideas where you would get a chain, sorry !!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 03 Jan 2010 at 12:01pm
when ive wanted chains ive just gone to my nearest branch of bsl brammer and theyve been able to order them for me (see phone book for your nearest branch)
If it isnt orange it isnt a rotavator
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 03 Jan 2010 at 2:56pm
Thanks a lot for that tip Mr Gem_1, I've got one in Swindon will take my chain in. I was toying with making a simple press tool - I'll get that mower restored, I need a grass box.
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Quote hdtrust Replybullet Posted: 05 Jan 2010 at 5:08pm
Hi Paul,
This one is on the house from The Hall & Duck Trust,
First of all very nice,is this the one that got away from our clutches!
The chap from Wales is well off track,and while I remember still owes the Trust a reply.
Your machine the Ransomes Chain Automaton was made between 1895 and 1898 only,the Patent Chains and Gears preceed this machine.Further nice restoration job,now go back and put the cutting cylinder in the right way as its back to front,as for the chain boiling it in oil normally does the trick,but not when the wife is close!
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 05 Jan 2010 at 5:44pm
Andrew
Thanks for the info, you spotted the deliberate mistake then !!
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Quote series1gem Replybullet Posted: 05 Jan 2010 at 6:53pm
Never heard of that trick for shrinking the chain, have to give it a go.
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 4:43pm
Would this mower have been fitted with a grass box ??

Hopefully it will be at the Lavender Line on March 21st...
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Quote hdtrust Replybullet Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 1:00am
All cylinder hand mowers came with grass boxes,but it was always the first part to rot away as the sides were wood
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 6:11pm
Ah right thanks for the information, one might turn up some day then
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Quote nwales1 Replybullet Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 11:20pm
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Here is a photograph of our Ransomes Patent Chain Automaton complete with original grassbox.   I think it dates from about 1920.   This mower spent a lot of its life on display in a garden machinery shop window which is probably why the grass box survived.   The sides are wooden, main part metal.
 
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Quote pmackellow Replybullet Posted: 08 Feb 2010 at 6:31pm
Jean, many thanks for the photo, that will give my mate an idea what he is looking for.
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Quote farmers boy 2 Replybullet Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 7:35pm
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Here is a photograph of our Ransomes Patent Chain Automaton complete with original grassbox.   I think it dates from about 1920.   This mower spent a lot of its life on display in a garden machinery shop window which is probably why the grass box survived.   The sides are wooden, main part metal.
 
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_popupControl(); Hi jean what splendid condition your mower is !!! one question have you reversed your picture as the chain drive on yours appears to be on the other side to the other mowers on this thread or was this mower avaliable with the drive chain on either side ?
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Quote nwales1 Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 5:01pm
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The post that started this thread from Paul appears to have the chain on the same side as ours - to the right as you look at the machine if you were holding the handles.   Perhaps HDTrust could tell us whether it was possible to have the chain on either side?
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Quote will_haggle Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 8:06pm
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Any chance of a spare chain, my Greens Silens Messor needs one.....
Greens%20Silens%20Messor%20Mower
It looks OK here but fell apart when dimantling....
My Greens mower also has a sprocket either side of the cylinder and I've wondered what it's for.....
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Quote farmers boy 2 Replybullet Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 8:21pm
Originally posted by nwales1

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The post that started this thread from Paul appears to have the chain on the same side as ours - to the right as you look at the machine if you were holding the handles.   Perhaps HDTrust could tell us whether it was possible to have the chain on either side?
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Maybe my eyes are bad but i would swear to the fact that all the other mowers pictured have the drive chain on the left if you were facing the machine holding the handle bars !!!! but yours as you rightly say are on the right i even got my other half to look in case i was going nutty !!!!
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 12:10am
if you look at pmackellows original pics the chain is on the right side mut he says in the picture of the restored one thqat the cylinder is in the wrong way round
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Quote farmers boy 2 Replybullet Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 10:57pm
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if you look at pmackellows original pics the chain is on the right side mut he says in the picture of the restored one thqat the cylinder is in the wrong way round
Yes i see your point but does that mean that the roller at the back is in backwards too ? and wills mower is the opposite !!! i just wondered if they came with the option to be driven for eithier side !!!! HDTrust help us out !!!! _popupControl();
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Quote mowersman Replybullet Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 11:10pm
im confused now!!!
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